FTG 0004 - Career Fair Prep with Career Dev Pros Lisa Kerchinski & Keith Graham '85 Eng


In this special episode, we speak with Lisa Kerchinski and Keith Graham ‘85 Eng. 

Guest Bios:

Lisa has served as the Director of Career Development for the Schreyer Honors College since 2007, where she supports Scholars and Scholar alumni in a variety of career exploration and development opportunities. She also works with employers to recruit Schreyer Scholars for internships and entry level roles. Lisa is a proud friend of the College, having earned a BA in Interpersonal and Public Communications from Bowling Green State University and an MS in College Student Personnel from Indiana University. You can connect with her through LinkedIn or book an appointment at https://www.shc.psu.edu/appointments/ 

Keith Graham ‘85 Eng brings both industry and academic experience to this conversation. He currently serves as the Associate Chair of Undergraduate Education in the University of Colorado’s Department of Electrical, Computer, and Energy Engineering. He spent 31 years in the electrical engineering space, including roles at HP and Thorson Rocky Mountain. He earned his BS in Electrical Engineering with Honors from Penn State’s College of Engineering. He is also a volunteer leader on the Scholar Alumni Society where he is the Chair of the Career Development and Mentorship Committee. You can connect with him on LinkedIn. 

Episode Specifics:

We discuss the following topics in this valuable conversation: 

• Penn State’s Career Days

• How to approach this event and other career fairs

• Speaking with employers and follow-up etiquette

• Building a professional network

• General job and internship search strategies

• Other resources for Schreyer Scholars at Penn State


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Notes & Credits:

This content is available in text form at https://schreyerhonorscollege-ftg.sounder.fm

This show is hosted, produced, and edited by Sean Goheen ‘11 Lib (Schreyer). 

The artwork was created by Tom Harrington, the College’s Web Developer. 

The sound effect is “Chinese Gong,” accessed via SoundBible used under Creative Commons License.

The theme music is “Conquest” by Geovane Bruno, accessed via Pixabay and used under Creative Commons License.

...[ HOST] Greeting Scholars and welcome to Following the Gong, a podcast of the Schreyer Honors College at Penn State.* GONG RINGS* following the GONG takes you inside conversations with our scholar alumni to hear their stories, so you can gain career and life advice and expand your professional network. You can hear the true breath of how scholar alumni have gone on to shape the world after they ran the gong and graduated with honors and learn from their experiences. so you can use their insights in your own journey. This show is proudly sponsored by the scholar Alumni Society, a constituent group of the Penn State Alumni Association. I' m your host, Sean Goheen, class of two thousand, and eleven and college staff member. If this is your first time joining us, welcome. If you' re a regular listener, welcome back. in this special episode we speak with Lisa Kerchinski and Keith Graham. Lisa has served as director of Career Development for the Schreyer Honors College since two thousand and seven where she support scholars and scholar alumni in a variety of career exploration and development opportunities. She also works with employers to recruit Schreyer Scholars for internships and entry level roles. Lisa' s a proud friend of the college, having earned a BA in interpersonal and public communications from Bowling Green State University and an MS and college student personnel from Indiana University Bloomington. you can connect with her through linked in or book an appointment at SHC. psu. edu/ appointments. Keith Graham brings both industry and academic experience to this conversation. He currently serves as the Associate Chair of undergraduate education in the University of Colorado' s Department of Electrical Computer and Energy Engineering. He spent thirty one years in the electrical engineering space, including roles at HP and Thorson Rocky Mountain. He earned his BS in electrical engineering with honors from Penn State' s College of Engineering. He is also a volunteer leader in the Scholar Alumni Society, where he is the chair of the Career Development and mentorship committee. You can connect with him on Linkedin. We discuss the following topics in this valuable conversation: Penn State ' s career days; how to approach this event and other career fairs; speaking with employers and follow up etiquette; general job and internship search strategies; and other resources for Schreyer scholars at Penn State. Now, let' s dive into our conversation with Lisa and Keith.* GONG RINGS* we' re going to be talking today about pen states, career fares, mentoring and other opportunities and resources for Shire scholars that we have to offer, but would be remiss ive. We didn' t start with just some quick introduction, so Lisa, if you could just introduce yourself and what exactly that you do here in the Trier Honors College Sure My name is Lisa Krachen sky and I ' m the director of crude Elman at the strines college. I' ve been in this roll since July of two thousand and seven. So it' s really evolved since I started. But some of the things that we do are provide opportunities for students to meet with alumni employers by helping to schedule those types of events. Sometimes we take students to visit companies or prophets and other institutions that might be of interest to him. We also work with other units to Copon servants and in additionally that we have a mentoring program where we match people one on one, and we also are piloting mentoring, pods the semester where we are matching small groups of students with two to three alumni on a very specific topic. So I also work with all kinds of exciting things related to data and other systems behind the scenes. But but my favorite part of my job is meeting with students, one on one and helping them discover different resources that might be available to them here and state and elsewhere and connecting them with our great alumni. So that' s kind of my job in a nutshell, and that is a perfect tea up for my other guest today, Keith Graham who is the chair of the Career Development and mentorship committee on the Scholar Alumni Society Keith. Can you tell us a little bit about your role as an alumni volunteer and how you work with both Lisa and I to sport, students think Sean I' ve been involved in two thousand and sixteen, and in the last year I' ve actually moved over from Membership Committee to actually the career and Menteri, and I' ve actually done that because one of my passions is actually helping our next generation students and I' m actually involved just as well on the career in expert Al Committee for the society. For I engineer at education as well, so this is one of my passions...

...answer. I work very closely with Lisa and Sean and developing programs, for example, or mentoring with honors, and we have this new program which we ' re all really excited to offer, starting. This fall called mentoring, pods, and I believe we' ll be talking about that in a few minutes perfect and if you could just maybe give us a brief overview quickly of your day. Job That, actually, you know, is not a volunteer all, but what you do for a living a thank shot and- and I think it goes really well with what I do with the career and metering program here at Penn State as well- I' m actually the associate Cherr of the electrical engine department at the University of Colorado and Boulder and I' m not a crew academia. I actually have thirty one years of the industry and then I came on board it at Sou and one of my jobs. Also at Cu is I actually run our internship in what we call internship or credit program were. Actually I have a program where our students here at see, you can actually get credit well doing their internships or coop, and I have a lot of curriculum regarding that to help them do better and I also help them find jobs as well perfect. So it sounds like you know whether it' s here at Penn State or at cu. You know You' re helping the next generation, as You said, of students find those opportunities and Lisa here at Penn State. Obviously, one of the signature programs for all Penn state students is the fall career days. Could you tell us a little bit about that program and why our Shire scholar should consider attending that event? When we talk that career fairs at Penn State, the Balkees is one of the largest grippers in the nation. So that' s a pretty big deal and an opportunity for students who are interested in finding an internship or full time position to meet with employers, whether it' s virtually earned person so this year, what it' s going to be a little bit of a combination, so the the Tuesday September. Twenty first is the first day of the Creter and that' s in person, full time recruitment and then on Wednesday, the twenty. Second, it' s going to be virtual, full time, internship and coop recruitment and Thursday, the twenty third, its virtual internship and Co op recruitment. Typically, what happens with ball career days is that employers also because they' re here on campus and then again this is a little different this year, because we' ve got a mix model, but often they offer other opportunities for students to network with them. In a more personal setting, or sometimes a really huge setting, so there' s there' s a mix, and one thing I' d like to put out there is the creal crew, as is something everybody I think hears about and feels like. They need to attend and I' ll put that out there with a little bit of a covet. I think it really depends on what your interests are and what your goals are. So the there are lots of studies where this might not be a great fit for them, or this might not be the best time for them to attend the curve Er. So if, if you' re looking for research opportunities, for example, the creer fair might not be the best place for you to start the career far especially in person can be really overwhelming, because we have some name players and there' s a lot of energy and have students coming from different campuses. The scrofes also open to The greater community. So it' s a really big event and I think it' s a great opportunity for students to get a feel for WHO' s interested in the recruiting of instate and to interact with employers in person either. At the fair or in quasi in person, through the virtual great far so obviously this is we' re recording this in late, two thousand and twenty one and we' re starting to develop more of like these hybrid approaches, where there' s in person and Virtual Lisa, I' m going to have you into this first and then Keith at love. Your opinion. From what you' ve seen it see. You are there differences in the approaches that both employers and students should consider in the in person element at say the brace Jordan Center, or you know, wherever the facility at c you for a similar event versus how you would interact with an employer on say, zoom session. I would say that there' s a lot more similarity than you might think of in terms of it' s really important to be prepared. So you want to take some time ahead of the fair to look to see who is coming and come up with a plan. There' s only so many sessions that you can do it in a given time and so you' re going to want to use your time...

...wisely and also think about whether there' s an opportunity to sign up which might be more of an option virtually and also so plan accordingly figure out who ' s coming, who you want to talk to WHO' s? Your AL is choose Your being list and also do a little research on how things work. So, if you' re going in person, you want to figure out okay. So what do I? What I need to allow time for transportation check in those finding the booth, those types of things, so the more you' ve done ahead of time, the more time you have to actually interact with employers and similarly, in a virtual format, if you have done your research ahead of time, you and you' ve tested your systems, and you know that all of that' s working well, you can spend more time talking to people as opposed to figuring out how a log on and then I would say in terms of other general pret. You want to look professional and you want to be prepared and- and then also I have done your again- your homework on these companies so that you can have a quality conversation with them. I think, because the pandemic, we in terms of teaching we' ve, had to look at how we' re going to do things differently and we' ve. Actually last year was all remote and this year we' re basically on campus and same thing with a creer. For last year the cuffer was remote and we actually changed some things to the creer far, but as we changed things, we found some things actually work better in the remote format. the one thing that I' m really excited that we' re planting to continue as we move forward here at cu is roughly the month before our career. Far A lot of our companies who are visiting our campus are actually having either thirty minute or sixty minute session to get to know the company so sort of a more low key type of opportunity, because you don' t actually you it' s all remote but another way, they' re, actually engaging with the students during these introduction type opportunities is they' re. Giving you some tools for the career. Far, for example, there are some that are talking about what should be in a resume another one is how to actually physically do the ten a career far or do on site interviews, so they' re doing a lot of helping the student as they' re, also trying to tell tell the student about their companies we' re also trying to get the students tools to be successful in their croper and search. So I think that' s a really a great change that we made last year in and both our students as well as our companies visiting. So you saw that as a success and so we ' re going to carry that forward. Even though we' re going to be hybrid, just like Penn State is for his current fall and we expect to keep it when we' re full time moving forward, hopefully on campus next fall. The one that I like to stress is one of my roles is interns director of Internship Arot Se Boulder is, I have a lot of freshmen who don' t realize, there' s a lot of good opportunities for internships and don' t be worried that you don' t have a lot of of college courses taken, because the CO, the companies that are going to higher freshmen, understand that and there' s definitely not as many freshmen internship or coop opportunities as there is as after your sophomore junior year. But there' s a lot of great opportunities and I interviewed one alumni actually was great. I had this video class, I do on internships here it s ou. I have these two alumni and one alumni said the greatest experience I had from their first internship was realizing that they were not happy with that their decision of what their degree was right and so and and he that was after their freshman year, and then she changed her degree and and then the following intern ships really slitite that she made the right decision when she changed. So it gave her a great opportunity, but she also really wanted to point out, even though she realized that that was not her career. she decided I want to go and make it the best opportunity experience as possible, and so then I interviewed the same person on my video and I didn' t know this beforehand, and I asked him what was your greatest experience as a internship or call up, and he said well, mine was, I didn ' t, do one and- and it was the and it really put my career back a couple of years. So I really want to stress that you should do internships if you have the opportunity he was talking to his co work worker by the time she started her career after college. She knew really what She wanted to do and She could really be taking her crew and t...

...running with it were, on the other hand, since he had not experienced his career during any internship. He had to learn that, and I took him a couple of years after he graduated to really learn what he really wanted to do in his field and now he' s really fully engaged in it. So there' s a lot of good reason to do internship so, once again, that' s why I am the director of internships I like to push them, so if we have any opportunities to, if you have any opportunities with internships, I highly recommend explore those. I know what I ' m hearing in this is. There is a lot of homework that can go into approaching the Queer Fair, just as it is a key part of the job search or the internship for a lot of students, and some of that is on you as the student and some of that there are great opportunities provided by the institution, whether that' s Penn state or so you, maybe even at the college or campus level within the Penn state system, or in some cases the employers are stepping up and helping provide some of these opportunities. Making sure that you get your resume in line and obviously the the Central Career Services Office at Penn State does a great job of providing a lot of these resources for all of our nine lions. But he, the thing you made an interesting point is that if you have the opportunity to do an internship that you should do it- and I think that' s one of the great things about the Trier Honors College is that we have funding available for students to pursue those unpaid internships. I think there' s a broader push in the in the Zit gist around paying, in turns, which is Great. The conversation is moving forward, but not every internship has that to offer currently, and so the Honors College does have that and Lisa you' re a key part in helping to award that to students who are seeking these opportunities. Can you give a quick plug on how a student could access that sure? It' s really easy and you go into the student record system, s Rs and you can apply for grants so there geared around unpaid internships and also unpaid research experiences, but some people are paid, but maybe not enough to support what it is. They' re goal, especially in high cost areas, which is kind of how this idea started. That would like to provide these not have students turn away internship opportunities because they' re in DC or New York and and can' t afford to be there. So this supplements it and then also there are other resources around the campus that that offer similar funding. So students can often tear their funding a little bit to help offset their costs. One thing related to that Shan is when students go to the fall career days. In particular, I sometimes find that they' re a little frustrated because they think it' s very much geared towards engineering technology and business students, and I would say that a lot of the jobs that are there are near towards towards those fields, but I think students need to spend some time thinking about what other things are. Those companies doing that might be related to their major and especially, if you' re, in areas like science and level, arts you' re, not necessarily preparing for a career in political science or chemistry. Specifically, you might be looking at things more broadly and that' s again to the Keats earlier point why internships are really great so that you can explore these opportunities and the the thing with the career fairs to is don' t put all your eggs in one basket Shan and mentioned that there' s a lot of resources here of Penn state- and there are you know we have resources within trier. We have resources through the Bank of America cer services and we also have in almost every college and an career person, who' s also focusing on events and opportunities, specifically for their folks. So don' t be discouraged if you feel like you' re, not finding what you want. There are ways to figure out how to get to where you want to go or how to explore the areas that you' re interested in, and there are people here, myself included, who can help you figure out that process and how to get started. At least, I won' t really want to second what you' re talking o what you just mentioned, where whatever degree Y R you' re getting and you hear about this company and you go well- that' s a finance company, I' m a sociologist right. Why would they want to hire me? Let' s, you know finance companies actually like sociologist, because sociologist is trying to figure out what is the trend in the future of society right and, if you think, a people who are investing in stocks...

...want to buy cheap and sell high right. So what they' re? Really they do like sociologists in their companies, because they are looking for people that are going to help them figure out? What are the future trends? It don' t be afraid to talk to a company that you think is engineering and you might have a liberal, arch or even engineering and it' s a business opportunity, because most companies now are a hybrid. They need all the skills. So the big thing is interdisciplinary work, not just between engineering departments but between engineering and business engineering in finance, art physics, biology, so what' s again, do not be afraid just to go just because you think your degree doesn' t fit the name of the company or the field that they say they are in most likely they' re. Looking for people for throughout the spectrum of degrees, I think that spot on Keith, you know I was a political science, Major and every company has to and stood to understand that space and understanding markets and everybody needs human resources. Now so there' s lots of opportunities, so I think that' s really good to it pass what is their main purpose and where the supporting functions in a company. So that' s a really good point and I think you made some good points earlier, that internships are a really good way to explore a career path early and really make sure that you are going in the right major and just last week I was talking to a student during show time and she' ve had that exact experience where her internship solidified that she did not want to be in that major and is pursuing a different one. Now that is more in line with what she wants to pursue, and so you know, I think, there' s a lot of opportunities here. It ' s not just homework in researching the employers that you want to talk to at the at the career days or similar events, but you know the internships themselves, but obviously you have to get an internship first. In order to have that experience and Keith, I know. Obviously you said you had thirty one years of industry experience before coming on to the Higher Ed side of of the equation. What were the kind of things that helped if you were recruiting and talking to entry level, employee prospects? If you were talking to intern prospects? How can our students set themselves apart? You know there' s the kind of the Classic Elevator Pitch. How do you develop that you only have a few minutes at best, sometimes with the employers? How do you leave a lasting positive impression? I wouldn' t say it' s very similar to my my roll is sometimes the last couple of years I haven' t been looking at the graduate school apps because of my new roles. Now undergraduate program here, t see you, but it' s very similar, we' re looking for passion, right and passion and an interest in what you' re applying for so my background recent background is: What' s called embedded systems. So, if I was in industry, I would be looking for people in that. Elevator pitch really pointed out to me their passion or interest, and it might be that you know they really like this particular course like, so so, if you' re a freshman or sophomore intern. When you don' t have a lot of work experience already, you might want to be talked about your passion of what and talked about your project in embedded systems in your class. So really, I think myself looking at Grad APPs as well as when I was a industry hearing, passion and because I think we all believe that you can actually learn the skills, but you can' t always learn the passion. So, if you' re looking for something that you' re really interested- and you have the skill set, then you can be successful and therefore I want to hire you. I think that is such a good point. People you need to help. Employers connect the dot to why you are standing in front of them or why you were applying and and sime with graduate school they' re going to have a lot of candidates, and you also have a lot of options as a student for things that you might want to explore. So I think, really being able to if you' re writing a cover. Frick letter, for example, they' ve pretty much outlined what they' re looking for in a candidate. So, even if you haven' t done that exact thing, you help them understand through your cover letter or in your conversation with him, what you can bring to the table and and when you have that opportunity to be in person, don' t squander it by walking up and saying. So what does your company do? You know that' s a huge turn off to companies. You should know o what they do when You walk up...

...and there might be some opportunities where you' re walking by table and people talk to you and you' re really not familiar because they weren' t on your radar. I mean obviously want to go over and chat with them and make the most of that opportunity. Ten, but again, you know it' s your job to think about what it is. You want to get out of this process, and that does take a little bit of time and in some Ephor, but it really pays off because that passion will show through that preparation will show through, and you might even be able to say I' m particularly interested in this area in your company, because you' ve spent a little extra time doing research and that' s really going to help you stand out and have a more quality experience. When you get that I also think a very important thing is to thank you letter and, and the thank your letter has a lot of good aspects to it. One, it' s very considerate right, because someone has taken time to interview me and I' m going to thank them back, but a lot of times, at least for myself. I might leave a meeting or say an interview and you go. I wish I said that one thing, because that would have helped differentiate me from someone else or my project from some else. The thank you letter gives you that one additional opportunity to help differentiate yourself from all the other candidates are interviewing. So in the thank you letter, it' s for appropriate once again to consider it to say you know very think, thank you very much for the opportunity that, for the interview- and I would say, try to limit to one thing- that you think that you might have forgot to say or or if you think you said everything in the interview you might want to highlight that again what different sates you from other potential candidates. I think one thing to when you' re at the the career fair when you' re meeting people you need to be. you definitely want to make a good impression, but I think you also want to make sure you don' t overstay your welcome, because there they really need to talk to a lot of people and and so read the room. You know talk about what it is you you would like. Your Express Your interest ask maybe how you could follow up, ideally at people' s contact information, so you can follow up with them on linked in or via email if they share that information, but but also be cognizant that they are there for to talk to lots of students and and be thoughtful about that and be yourself so be your professional best self. Don' t try to be somebody that you' re not and just and if you' re excited about something that enthusiasms definitely in a show. I think those are all great points and if you have listened to our conversation with Asia grant she also made a great point and provide some real, detailed steps on doing. Thank you cards. Thank you. Letters for any situation, so go back and listen to that episode. If you haven' t already, but going back to the idea of kind of the matching right, that' s going on. Essentially, you know Lisa. You said the companies are here they' re trying to talk to as many students as they can, because they' re trying to recruit a broad and talented and diverse candidate pool to consider for their roles, their internships and you, as a student. You probably know I really liked company a and company liked me. I like company B, but it was very, I got a rejection letter and was very clear, I' m not moving for in the process, but what about companies see they liked me, but I just didn' t feel like we clicked and that' s not an opportunity that I want to explore and obviously ghosting is completely unprofessional, so how for both the students and for the employer. So how do you turn down an offer to interview further or or to not accept a role with a firm do either of you have any tips for our students who may be in that situation? One thing I keep in mind is that often this might not be the right fit for you right now, so you want to leave like you said you want to be professional and not just not respond, and I' d also keep in mind that this is a snapshot in time for you and in three years. Perhaps they might be doing different things. You might be doing different things. So it' s great if you can keep that relationship intact and graciously decline. So I think a lot of it is in that you do want to follow up and and express appreciation for the opportunity and maybe even say something that you really liked or appreciated about the the their company or the entering the interview process. But then you don' t need to be super specific about why I you are going with another company, just maybe something along...

...the lines of. I really appreciate this opportunity. However, I' ve accepted another offer that that aligns better with my particular interests in Janian. I think Lisas very accurate on that because say the person that you engaged with that company C and actually you might have engaged with that person, but maybe not the company five years down the road that person that you engage with company C might be at company D that you really want to to work for right, and so one of the most important things is establishing a network. That' s what you' re, starting here through the queer fare and other path, developing your professional network. I tell my students and this my my own personal case. I only developed one resume in my life that was actually when I was graduating. Penn state and all my other opportunities came from my network and people coming and asking me you know. Would you like to work for here we got this new project working and so forth, or myself saying hey. This sounds really interesting. Do you mind finding some? You know a role for me, and so your professional network is really important and and your reputation in that network. It takes a long time to develop and you should start develop it right now and that' s being polite and considerate to all your all your contacts into the professional world. I think that' s a great word to describe a lot of these experiences that you' re beginning to develop. You either its our network or your experiences and I' d like to take a minute to speak to particularly our first year in our second year scholars. Their resumes, probably a lot of part time work from high school or here either around state college or around their campus. That they' re attending a lot of volunteer opportunities, clubs and organizations that they' re leading, but they don' t have a lot of full time experience. So how can they translate those opportunities, whether it' s being an Eagle Scout Sports team captain? You know working part time at McDonald' s or Rita ' s Italiani. Something like that. How do you translate those experiences when you' re talking to an employer? So when I think of a resume - and I I' ve actually read quite a few of my students out here at Ceou- the first thing I think you need to have in the resume- and I noticed that a lot of our first and second years do not actually necessarily always have it is. What do you want to do right? you might have a resume and, for example, I' m hand in to Shan right, but a lot of times at the CERFE shots, not the one who' s going to be making the decision of whether I get employed or not. They might be moving it to human resources or to whatever department it would be, and some other person' s going to be. Looking at that. Your resume and they' ve never met you before, and then they start look at the resume. They don' t know what you want to do. So I always think it' s a very important, the first, the very top of your resume of what you would like to do, and you know, depending upon your degree, I could be quite different. So that' s really important, and the second thing is resume should so should be. Like a newspaper, the most important things should be up front and when I say the most important thing up front is what is going to, in your view, be most appropriate for that job right. So if it' s not for a lot of our first in second year, students here t see you from engineering, it might be some classes or projects that they' ve done right. I I want to really show case what projects I' ve done for that, my first internship or my first job, and so they went. You should put that first, because people are going to read until they they get bored or tired, because they might have a stack of a hundred of these resumes and they say that the average resume is looked at for only seven seconds, so you got to have you want to have the most important, to least important to keep them engaged all the way down. Then, if you don' t have a lot of work in that particular area, then you have to, I think, show case the important skills which we call essential skills. How you do team work? How do you interact with others, because in reality I have this course with our interns that what makes a star engineer isn' t how that you got. You know a for O in college that you are the most best programmer both best designer really, what makes a star en engineer is all about your essential skills, so you would like to highlight those essential skills...

...at the top of your respe and that' s what I would suggest if you don' t have a lot of work. Experience kind of filling on that to those are really great tips. You don' t need to say something like. I am a team player right. Instead, you might want to say something like worked with team to develop this in such project for Yadyat Class, for this company lead team of peers to execute something so so show them and demonstrate through your description, how you' re doing these things, how you have these skills? And similarly, if you have worked in a lab or you' ve done some skills on campus, you can talk about those as well, and sometimes it' s also particularly helpful, especially with technical areas, to highlight them skills. In a section into an to list, for instance, programming skills, I' ve had first year, students who haven' t taken a class that might normally qualify them for an internship that they had skills. That would be really useful for for certain companies and would probably propel them ahead of a lot of sophomores and juniors. So they want to highlight that even if that' s something that they learned on their own or through a club, if you know how to do it, put it on there and list it. And- and I love what Keith was saying about projects it could be student teams and so forth. Just highlighting what you' ve done and I think providing a little bit more to tail on that. and if you do have part time, jobs that' s great, but you don' t need to put a lot of detail into what you' ve done there. I think people have a pretty good idea what a life guard or cashier or babysitter does so maybe just a couple bullets, you' re just want to demonstrate your responsibility and, for example, the Eagles got one not to Belabor this, but often people. You know, for their first resume its pretty tough, that that' s a lot of project management and you' re, also managing a budget you' re managing a teen. you are having your les on between a lot of people, so in the agency that you' re communicating with the where you' re doing a project. So those think about what you actually did and there' s a lot of resources out there for action words that lies as well as you' re starting to think about this, and there are a lot of resources around campus for people to give you advice on your resume, including your peers, especially business students. They usually have a really great resumes so and are her happing to help you. you get that first one started and I would advise against using a template because they are right when you' re doing your first one and horrible, when you' re trying to edit them so just use a word dock and start from scratch. All good advice- and one thing I will throw- and here is Keeth mentioned- you- had just kind of the one resume I would argue for essentially two resumes. You have your current one sheet. That is the most up to date. You know down the line if you' ve had ten years experience at a company and those are the kind of things that you want to highlight, but I would also recommend, especially if you' re, still in college. Listening to this. this is a great time to do. this is cheap. What I would call kind of a life resume, and this is not one you' re ever going to submit to a company, but this is a document that keeps track of literally every opportunity. every class every club that you ' ve been a part of eventually being a life guard, the Eagle Stop Project those are going to fall off of your resume in favor of your more recent, more accomplished. Full time experiences your internships, but it' s good to be able to remember down the road, those dates, those locations. those managers that you may need to call upon for something- and it will surprise you when these things will pop up so highly recommend keeping that lifetime resume, that only you' re ever going to see but will help you jog your memory well down the road when you' re in the places in life that Keith and Lis- and I are so want to recommend that I shot I just I was just I wanted to just highlight that even further is in my internship course here and interviewed one of my alumni. She suggests you should be doing that every year to prepare for your annual review right, because when she came up to her first annual review and she had to remember what she did for the last twelve months and she was able to remember the high the real apportent highlights. But there was a lot of important things that she would like to have added. But she didn' t remember until afterwards during...

...her discussion with her manager. So I think- and she suggest is every when you when at work the same thing where you mentioned there for your and and that' s a great idea, but even for your annual reviews, you should be recording what you' re doing right and then your internship, a lot of our interns, actually at the end of the semester of the summer, have to do a presentation right, and so it be good for even with an intern start recording what you' re doing throughout the intern ship, so that, when you do that presentation at the end to your team or to some management that you actually have more data to fall back on to yeah. Ultimately, all of these things come down to. How are you demonstrating value whether it is to yourself, because I think often times we are our own harshest critics? You know, I think, there' s some ideas that they' re about felts, who maybe don' t feel that they have all the necessary stills for a job and there' s different levels of percentages that you feel, but that' s a great point Keith on your annual review. that' s your time to shine. This is your time to show hey here' s all the things that I' ve done for this college or for this club for this company. Whatever position that you are in to show like Hay, I add value here and hopefully then it could lead to a race for you if you' re in a paid internship or in a full time role, and so that' s really really good advice. So going back to the creer days, trying of wrapping up you opportunities you' ve got employer sessions that you can check out and kind of dive in deeper, maybe their helpful practical things where they' re doing resume reviews like we' ve talked but the weeks wrapped up. We' ve already talked about. Thank you notes, which is a crucial part of any job search, whether it' s now in college or down the road always dread to. If you can send it a card at the very least, an email to show some level of communication there, but do either of you have an advice. Any advice on other actions that you should take after the career fare is wrapped up. One of my favorite things to do because I think this process can be a little overwhelming, is to create a Spreche to keep yourself organized, so one cab might be what employers you spoke with, maybe basically list of employers. And did you speak with them at the career? Fair? Did you ply online both vice versa, so that, and also in that have the people that you spoke with, as well as maybe in the upcoming deadlines for events for that company, so that you can kind of keep all that together and then, if you' ve also been networking with people outside of that company, and you can either include that on that same page or maybe even have a separate page for for networking and informational interviews, which is where you talk to somebody about their company, their experience at a company or with their position, without necessarily applying for a job. It ' s just purely educational and professional networking. So I think, keeping some kind of system for yourself other than what is available to you and miling careers, or indeed or idealists or other places, where you' re playing you ' re always spread sheet and they' re going to be places that you want to keep in mind besides the career fair, so I think, having a way to capture that in an organized easy up, datable ways helpful. Some things that I really like is- and it might be more helpful if you' re further up in your career at Penn State, say junior or senior, because you might have had some other students that you know that are now working at that company right and so use that network right and use that no network to maybe learn a little bit more about the opportunities that are available there, so that, if you do have that call back, you have done some of your homework or you can engage in your homework. They also might be a good potential ally if it' s in the same group that you' re getting hired right. So I' m really big in your professional network. So I I really highly recommend a follow up with your network that you might have, and you might just be starting the network, but another good place to start in the network are the recent graduates from Schrie and I use that network perfect, and I think it' s always good, as you' re building your professional network to start to make those connections Lisa. You mentioned kind of informational interviews or just coffee chats to talk with faults before your job searching before you need something from them. So you have that relationship built in a very authentic way and then, when it comes time to...

...be hired or volunteer or whatever it is they' re ready and happy. they already know you from that authentic place to hopefully hire you so the cree fairs, wrapped up you' ve done all this things, but that' s just one week of the year Lisa. I know there' s a lot of other opportunities throughout the year for students looking for internships and jobs, but also for students who are looking for fellowships graduate school professional school. Can you talk about some at least briefly, because there' s a lot but an overview of some of the other opportunities that go on at Penn state throughout the year? Absolutely so we coordinate together across ten state, these large creer fairs. So there' s this one in the fall and there' s one in the spring, but there' s also career fairs, focusing on social impact opportunities. The Office of University Research and fellowships will also do sessions throughout the year to help students aren' t about how to do research and how to explore fellowships and then they' ll have much more in depth sessions about the process for various fellowship applications and also things that help fund the graduate school like the NSF application. The different colleges often have sessions about applying to graduate school, internship searches and so forth, and and then there' s collective programs that we do around the graduate fair event that happens later in the semester. So there' s events that talk about how to how to apply to medical school law, school, there' s, a pre, med or actually pre health office and an office that helps with people interested in law. So there' s so many resources for students, which is good and bad. I remember sitting in a session where people were talking about all these great things that pen state has to offer, and I never really thought about it from the perspective of a student in a and I guess how that could be super overwhelming right that there' s just so many and and then it ' s on you to figure it out. But I' d like to just really emphasize that it is your responsibility to to read your emails and it is your responsibility to make your network and get to know your faculty and and build those relationships. That is your responsibility, but there are so many people who want to help you and help you figure out how to do this. So if you don' t know how to get involved in a research or you you' re, not sure what this University of research and Fellowships Office does for what career opportunities there are for. You start somewhere. So I would recommend you start with me and I will point you to reserves ures but start somewhere and in my office, because I work with students from all majors in all the colleges, and I also know my peers and what they' re doing in their colleges and I work with all years. I think I ' m a really good starting point to really help you figure out next steps and then what I really like about what Penn State is done is the customized thing so, for instance, the College of Com. They really have created a lot of opportunities for students to work on projects well their undergraduates, because those projects are really important for them when they' re doing their search and then knowing that those employers often are going to come from New York in La to Recrut students, they' ve created programs for students to get experiences, and they take students to New York and DC for job fairs, so make sure you' re taking advantage of those opportunities- and I know you don ' t want to read your emails and you have a lot of emails. I understand I do too and and Redo delete, save them on your calendar, but that is often where the that' s going to be the first place. You learn about something so until we have some better way to delen messaging. I highly recommend you to spend a little bit of time. Reading, what' s sent to you from all these people who want to help you advance your career. I think a key key takeaway there Lisa is that a real benefit of being in the Trier Honors College is first and foremost you are a pen state student. you have central opportunities like the Bank of America, career services that we' ve talked about, who hosts the career, the career days and other opportunities. That' s a great resource, your college. First and foremost, you may be a student in Penn State Abington or at the College of Engineering or the College of Agricultural Sciences or at Penn State Altuna. You have opportunities in those locations, and so our office that...

Lisa runs here in the Honors College, is an additional layer of opportunity and to your point, Lisa you' re, a great navigator. You are a way finder for our students, so great entry point because it is overwhelming there are so many opportunities, we' re not lacking for for opportunities at this university, and so you can help shrink that down. That' s a common refrain in the honor scales That we are helping to make a very big place small and is part of that community, but obviously there are some perks to being in the Honors College. There are some unique opportunities just for our scholars. Can you talk about some of those opportunities that you help? Students who you know if they' re in trier they' re putting in the work that they can access that you can help them find right? We talked about the grants which I think are really great opportunity, and especially if you can layer those on with other offices, we also do a lot of sessions specifically for scholars, so we work very closely with the university research and fellowships office and we try to target different programs or different stages in your career path. So there' s some introductory things as well as things that might be a little bit more geared towards seniors. We have employer events, the majority of our employer events are hosted by scholar, alumni, which is a nice added bonus and they' re, usually pretty small. You know we ' re talking, maybe twenty people or if it' s a bigger event for us, it might be sixty people. But if you were going to that same event at another area on campus there' d be hundreds of people, so you really have an opportunity. I think, to get more of the one on one time with people and- and these are people who understand the rigor of being the shryock, and he really really really want to help scholars with their next career mat and we' ll have, throughout the year conversations with alumni, where it might be a small networking lunch where they can just talk to you about what they what they do. Maybe they went to graduate school, so we offer a lot of opportunities throughout the year and in addition to that, we have those are things that we organize, but then we also help students find matches through the mentoring with honors program and also we ' re going to have our mentoring ponds this this year. So there' s a lot of opportunities for you to either have a one on one longer term relationship with the mentor who, where there' s an opportunity to ask questions throughout the year and and really build that relationship or there' s a lot of opportunities for you to have kind of a one off conversation, quick question or maybe help with preparing for an interview. So we have quite the gamut of resources for students and, of course, there' s also. This podcast will be putting out episodes approximately weekly on Tuesdays, which is the same day that you get your newsletter during the semester every week during the fall and spring every other week in the summer, so make sure. As Lisa said, you were reading your emails, so we' re wrapping up here, Keith if a student listening ones to get in touch with you or in a Lomonts to get in touch with you to maybe talk more about how an alum can be of support to your committee on the Styla Alumni Society. What ' s the best way to get in touch with you? Is it linked in or some other avenue link on? It is fine. I also don ' t mind people just sitting me an email just like Lisa said we all get a lot of emails and it' s really important to saw off on that. So my email address is Keith Ki th dot, a for my middle initial dot, gram, Gra Ham at Colorado da Edu, and I would welcome any emails that anyone it would like to talk about this topic or some other topic. The one thing I just like to reemphasize is: Don ' t be afraid of applying for a job. You know You look at the job requirements, you say gosh. I don' t set a hundred percent of that. Probably no one fits a hundred percent of the job requirements that they ever post. But if you feel like you, do the majority of them and you have the right general background and the right passion, that ' s what we' re most employers are looking for is do you have the general background because he could always learn a new skill, but you can at once. I said, like I said earlier, you can' t always learn the passion, so if they could find someone who has the general background who' s passionate about an opportunity, you should apply for it and a lot of times those you' ll find out. you don' t have to have a hundred percent to other requirements because, generally speaking, most people, don' t sage advice and Lisa for a student who wants to...

...come in and meet with you, either in Atherton or via zoom. How did they go about getting an appointment with you sure you can either go to the Schrie Google scrir appointments and I' ll be right there on the page and- and you can also go to knit me Lin careers to book an appointment. That' s the system That That I used for booking appointments, which is also the same system that students can use to look for jobs and internships and also to register for events, and we didn' t even talk about any line careers or line link, and so I hope that take away is that we' ve only stretched the surface of a lot of the opportunities and the tactics so continue to explore. These other resources continue to Google Cross Penn State all of these different opportunities, but I would be remiss if I didn' t wrap up with our tradition here on this podcast I' d love to know. If you were a flavor of Berkie creamery ice cream, which one would you be and why and teeth I' ll start with you, oh gosh. This is a surprise question in right. Let' s see, actually my favorite ice cream is coffee, so that have to be coffee now. Why? Well, I actually somewhat feel like I' m addicted to copy, but I actually really enjoy enjoy the flavor of coffee and and I' m going to say I would be coffee because I enjoy the flavor and you should enjoy your career path. So that' s why I would choose coffee, amazing, Lisa I' ll. Let you have the last word on your flavor, a lot of pressure there, so I will go with w PS to coffee break so similar. I love that flavor of Moca with the extra chocolate. So I would say you know: I' ve got a lot of energy and I' m also, I don' t know so, I' ve a lot of energy and that' s why I like that that kind of ice cream- and you should come and see me so that I can use my energy to help you engage in your career, fantastic. Thank you so much to both of you. you heard how you can get in touch with them. You heard about what flavors of Cremer ice dream the would be LESA. We are both great resources. Please, Please take advantage of all these. Thank you both so much for your time today and thank you. Thank you, scollars for listening and learning with us today. We hope you will take something with you that will contribute to how you shape the world. This show probably supports the Strie Honors College Emergency Fund, Benefiting Scholars experiencing unexpected financial hardship. You can make a difference at raise dot P Su dot, Edu forward, shriram be sure to hit the relevant subscribe like or follow button on, whichever platform you are engaging with us on today, you can follow the college on Facebook, twitter, instagram and Linkedin to say up to date on news events and deadlines. If you have questions about the show or staler alum who' d like to join us as a guest, her on following the gone, please connect with me at scalar alumni at PS, dot edu until next time. Please stay well and we are.

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